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Hi guys,

Had an awesome day at Winton today, and made is safely to Sydney after - about an hour ago at 11pm. Had an absolute blast, and managed a decent lap time (need to go through video to check exactly) but somewhere around 1:45.xx mark at least (with passanger).

I am sure David and Yun will chime in to rave on about the day too.

I only had one problem, in the 4th session, at the beginning on the S-es I suddenly lost all power under full throttle. After reviewing the video, it appears that the power went as soon as I downshifted into 2nd after the sweeper left/right hander. I didn't think I overrevved, but it could be that the ECU detected an overrev and shut down all power. I will post the video of the incident later.

For now, here is an onboard lap with me chasing down Yun :)

Overall, the car was once again superb! Once the brakes warmed up, they were great. The only let down were the tyres again, as they warmed up too much, I started loosing grip, which led to understeer through the S-es and oversteer in some faster corners. Also, I found that even with the VDC off, in some instances, it came on at really inconvinient times!! Dave, I think I need to get that permanent OFF switch made!
 

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Yep, had a fantastic time ... borrowed a 'lap timer' for a few sessions. I managed 1:41.25 lap (timed by the lap-timer) with a 75kg passenger. That's only about 0.6sec sec of my PB when I'm solo in the car. According to my data/calcs that is a 'potential' 1:39 lap right there if I was solo at that time ... the 1:39s seem a lot more possible now then ever before. Still, won't be easy clocking one for real.

Another highlight was me chasing a beutifull red F360. It was a first time for me following a Ferrari at full flight. Absolutely beutifull, and certainly moved on the straights. Iggy's fried Serge was in my car at the time and he had a hand-held camera so hopefully Iggy will post the clip soon.

We had a good number (ie. not too many), and good mixture of cars. The F360 and NSX were the highlights, but there were lots of IT-Rs, fair few S2000s, few race-specced M3s, couple WRX/STIs, S15 200SX, race-prepped Escort with an RX3 engine to name a few.

And 3 Zeds to keep them honest ;-)

Plenty of track time was head, and the times we managed to 'collect' over the day were something like this (not necesarily their best times, but the ones we timed):

- Escort (white/race/Hoosiers) = 1:39.6 (solo)
- e36 M3 (yellow) = 1:39.8 (passenger)
- 993 (Turquoise), Tony = 1:40.6 (passenger)
- 350Z (silver), me = 1:41.25 (passenger)
- F360 = ??? (passenger)
- DC2 ITR (Black), Tim = 1:44.7 (solo)
- Civic (white/race) = 1:45 (passenger)
- 350Z (Orange), Iggy 1:45? (passenger)
- 350Z (blue), Yun = 1:47.25 (solo)
- S2000 (silver), Ben = 1:47? (passenger)
- EVO8 (yellow) = 1:47.8 (passenger)
- Monaro CV8-R (red), Chris = 1:50 (solo)
- NSX (yellow) = 1:50 (passenger)
- WRX STi (gray) = 1:51 (passenger)

Now this was the 1st for me in the Zed - I had one near loose coming out of the second corner ... I really did not think I was going to get out of that one but somehow I managed to keep the car straight with 2 wheels off the track. Full credit to the car. What happened is I overcooked the entry into the corner and instead of easing off, I got on power more and tightened the line. I broke traction at the rear in 3rd gear. Still worst thing that could have happened ther eis that I'd end up in the grass/dust ... was going about 110 - 120kph at that time.

Also, I found that even with the VDC off, in some instances, it came on at really inconvinient times!! Dave, I think I need to get that permanent OFF switch made!

First time for me at Winton with the 'VDC-off switch' and I loved it. Winton is where the VDC annoyed me the most (besides DECA) as most corners have a late apex and you try and trail-brake into them only to have VDC try and get you off the apex. So today was the 1st time I could actualy trail-brake deep into corners without any 'ill' effects. Took me a little while to re-learn the car Winton with trail-braking, but I'm sure I'm going quicker ... and also I can now use 3rd insterad of 2nd of some corners without unresteering too much.

Still, I think I could use even less undesteer so I might get Whiteline swaybars (or at least the rear one).

ps. Yun, check out the clip that Iggy posted as he's literal;y your chase car there for the 1st lap. Notcie how far off the apexes you are in some of the corners ... that's where you still loosing most of your time. Still, droping to 1:47s from your previous best of 1:53 is a huge improvement, and probably quicker than most of the cars that were there. 6sec improvement is very impresive so good stuff Yun!
 

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thanks for the tip Davidm, Been very helpfull and Iggy made me as Rival lol.

But i can't win Iggy this time ;)

But i think sandown is an Easier track for me comparing to Winton.

Because Winton requires more braking, which i find very important in Winton than Sandown.

I think i can get better time if i change the fluid to DOT 5.1 next time, which will give me a good confidence back on braking. After the horrified Brake fade lol.

But anyway thanks alot and congratulation with Iggy to finally get used to RWD car after switching from FWD.

Also had an experience with integra Type-R with R-spec tyres.

I find that car is very agile and entering the corner on higher speed as well. Which amaze me, But i think the R-spec tyres also plays the role in there.

But hope next time i have to beat Iggy's time ;) after more practice.
Starting getting use with the Smooth line after all my aggressive driving and drifting lol.

also iggy, is this video is the best time you achive after you passing me? I just need to learn the line a bit more better. I did stuffed up on the apex. but i think on the 1.47 i'm on the apex abit better, but still taking it easy on there i guess, plus the brake is concern me.
Cheers
Yun

pS. What is the Max speed you guys achived in this track? I think i achive about 170kph. which i think i went in too fast. on the Last S-bend.
 

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pS. What is the Max speed you guys achived in this track? I think i achive about 170kph. which i think i went in too fast. on the Last S-bend.

I see 178kph on the speedo, but according to the data from the DL1 logger it was 170kph 'true speed'. I'd say that if you see 170kph on the speedo, then 166 - 167kph was your 'true' speed.

ps. You're most welcome for the 'tips'. Also you're right about Sandown being much 'eaier' track to go fast at. Everything is more 'complicated' at Winton as Witnon is very technical ... which make it a great track to improve your driving (and by 'your' I mean anyone ... not just you).
 

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Great write up guys. You guys got me pumped up... i really need to find my way to one of these events soon. One question was that white Honda that past Iggy an old civic? it seemed like it had decent straight line speed to.
 

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Yun,
That lap when I passed you was not my best lap... it was a 1:49.10. In fact, having a look at the video, I couldn't find the 1:45.xx lap that Ben timed me at. I need to have a look at the videos again and figure out what's going on there :) I certainly felt that I was going quite fast, so I am surprised that based on the video analysis I did up to now shows 1:49.05 as my best.

Now considering that I did a 1:47.xx in my ITR, I find it hard to believe that I could not break that time! :) May be it's just my ego playing up tho!!! :) hehe

And yeah that Civic was fast, and LOUD. He was ridiing my arse for a lap so I let him past cause last thing I want is a 10k civic running into the back of me ;)
 

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My other question is how did all your cars pull up? Anything significant to note pad tyres etc?
 

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Eddie'

Yours is track version right?

If it is. I recommend u to change the Brake Fluid. U don't want to brake fade like mine lol. The Brembo pad is fine, i think...

Tyres should be ok, but the stock can be pretty slippery after too hot.
 

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My other question is how did all your cars pull up? Anything significant to note pad tyres etc?
The important things to get for the brakes are:
1. Motul Dot5.1 brake fluid
2. RaceBrakes RB74 or Ferodo 2500 pads

These are great and I certainly experience very little fade in a day of tracking. I will switch to DBA Slotted Kangaroo Paws rotors in the near future, so will be able to give feedback on how well they pull up (in terms of heat) next year.

Other things to keep in mind - tyres. I have fairly worn out tyres all around, which I bought 2nd hand, and they have caused me headaches on a regular basis at the track. It takes them 2 sessions to warm up to grip well, but by the end of the 4th session, they are overcooked and slide around like crazy. So make sure you are either ready for that or get R-spec tyres ;) I cannot wait to get a set of R-specs on my car.
 

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I heard that when you use brake fluid with a higher boiling point like motul's you need to bleed the brake quiet frequently is this true?

Thanks for all the help guys looking forward to joining the convoy to the next race day
 

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So when is the next event? My right foot is itching really badly.

Phillip Island in 2 week ... that's where I'm next. Then that's the end of track season 'till start of Feb next year.

My other question is how did all your cars pull up? Anything significant to note pad tyres etc?

My car is as good as new (actually probably better ;-) My pads will still last me another 4 - 5 track days by the way they are going. Last set lasted me ~18,000km ... and that included about 6 track days, and 3 DECA days.

I get my fluid changed when the pads get changed ... I don't touch the brakes/fluid in between.

Other things to keep in mind - tyres. ... It takes them 2 sessions to warm up to grip well, but by the end of the 4th session, they are overcooked and slide around like crazy.

I used rouad tyres on the track until I picked up the Zed. I found that you can get them upto speed after 1 warm up lap, and then get 3 - 4 quick laps out of them if you're smooth and not sliding around ... both of which things are important to quick laptimes.

If my tyres used to get 'slipery', then I just backed off for a lap (to about 9/10th) and they were ready for another 10/10 lap. You'll be surprised to see that you return a surprisingly good time when you're driving at 9/10th not sliding, and concentrating on being smooth ... often that is your best lap of the session.

ps. Iggy, we need more clips! ;-)
 

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It's a Full race prep Civic.

Yeah, it's a race car (literally), and has a very good driver behind the wheel. He has come to this event for the last few years and can dip into 1:44s if I'm not mistaken.

I just need to learn the line a bit more better. I did stuffed up on the apex. but i think on the 1.47 i'm on the apex abit better, but still taking it easy on there i guess, plus the brake is concern me.

You guys seem to forget that 1:47s at Winton is pretty quick already. Let's put it this way ... I don;t think that there was a single S2000 there on thje day that came close tothat time. Well, except for Ben who was in 1:47s as well.

When I had the S2000 even 1:45s were difficult and there were events where I was happy to leave the day with a 1:45 lap. 1:44.7 is the best that I've managed, and only once. I think that is the only sub 1:45 lap that I did in the S2000.

So 1:47s is moving ... just try and remember to when you were doing 1:53s there ... and it's not like you were not trying. I know you can go quicker, and I see no reason why you could not get into 1:44s at least ... but you've already done a great job with the 1:47.25 lap.

That lap when I passed you was not my best lap... it was a 1:49.10. ... Now considering that I did a 1:47.xx in my ITR, I find it hard to believe that I could not break that time!

I would have thought that considering that you knew the track well, you should would be in 1:46s at the end of the day. Shame you missed out on the last 2 sessions as you were only getting quicker (like Yun).

It's a shame you didn't go in a car with me as that's one of the best ways to learn. Not only the lines, but also what I'm doing with the car. The way Yun was driving on the 1st couple laps with me in the car was hugely different to the way that I showed him.

Now, where are them clips? ;-)
 

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David M how was the 360 Ferrari around the track? ie. was it quick around the corners? Good on brakes? No doubt it had good legs.

Was it overall a good track car?
 

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After looking carefully at my videos, the main "mistake" that I am making is braking too much and not getting on the power early enough. My lines were OK (even the sweeper towards the end), but was too *****-footed :)

Here is another video from my car with Serge filming. Notice how I nearly loose it at the sweeper (you can also heear Serge saying some funny stuff there) and also he got a little worried when I pushed wide on the short back straight :) hehe

http://www.adept-connections.com/videos/Iggy-Winton_S2.wmv
 

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PS. Anyone trying to download the above video now will get an error message - I am experiencing very slow upload rates... so give it an hour! That file is 7.5Mb or so.

Also I will upload another where I am chasing the NSX. In the last 30seconds of the clip you also see my car stalling at full power when I overcooked it... FYI really :)

http://www.adept-connections.com/videos/Iggy-Winton_S4.wmv (17Mb)
 

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http://www.adept-connections.com/videos/Iggy-Winton_S2.wmv

Hi Iggy, This one does not work. You only have "S3" and "S4" on this server ... no "S2". And now the "S4" has also gone. I only got 4Mb of it down before it dissapeared :-(

David M how was the 360 Ferrari around the track? ie. was it quick around the corners? Good on brakes? No doubt it had good legs. Was it overall a good track car?

Car is only as quick as the 'nut' behind the wheel ... and that also goes for the Ferrari. I'm not sure what times he was clocking, but my guess would be 1:44s.

I have no doubt that there is nothing that the Zed can do, that the F360 cannot do better. I'm sure it:
- brakes better
- has more grip
- has better traction out of corner
- has better balance
- is more nimble
- etc.

But this one was not braking as hard/late as he could, nor was he carrying the corner speed that he could.

There never has been (any) Ferrari in any of the local PCOTY orticles so I can't even tell you what times it could be getting ... thought I'd be surprised if it's not at least 1:39s.
 
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