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i have done a bit of the heel-toe downshifting tequnique and its very hard to do on the z. the accelerator pedal is farther back than the brake and i have to slam on the brake to bend my heel back far enoughf to get the rpm's high enoughf to slide it down. i dont know why.?? had anyone else had this probelm??
 

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QUOTE (fallen612 @ Sep 23 2008, 01:11 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=555336
i have done a bit of the heel-toe downshifting tequnique and its very hard to do on the z. the accelerator pedal is farther back than the brake and i have to slam on the brake to bend my heel back far enoughf to get the rpm's high enoughf to slide it down. i dont know why.?? had anyone else had this probelm??
Hey Warren,

Check this out: Sparco Pedals

I found the 350Z difficult to heel/toe, too. The spacing between the brake and throttle pedal was too wide and my foot would keep slipping off the brake -- not good!

I added just the throttle pedal cover and it did the trick. Now I can use the prefered method of blipping with the side of my foot instead of trying to contort my heel over there. It's much easer to maintain consistant brake pressure this way.

Better yet, it's just a bolt on (with the aluminum pedals, anyway) -- no drilling holes required. If you decide it's not for you, just take it off!

Hope this helps.

Cheers! :cheers:
 

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The Z is easy to "heel-toe" in. The reason I put that in quotations, is because you aren't really heel toeing. You should be using another technique called "Rolling" your foot. Basically, place the ball of your foot on the brake pedal, and roll the rest of your foot onto the throttle to blip as necessary. And practice, practice, practice. This method has worked in every MT production car I have ever driven. Race cars can be different, but the pedals are adjustable.
 

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o i ddidnt know about that one. i will try it on the way to school tommorow. but i will practice a bit with the car off first!!
 

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QUOTE (1flyer2 @ Sep 24 2008, 07:04 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=555346
I can use the prefered method of blipping with the side of my foot instead of trying to contort my heel over there. It's much easer to maintain consistant brake pressure this way.
Its a matter of practice. I used to use the sides of my foot as well, until I bought Speedcats and the shoes weren't wide enough.

At first I was struggling with changing my heel toe technique, but after a while its become natural. Now I twist the foot around, but I can still do it well enough to run consistently quick circuit times.
 

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QUOTE (scathing @ Sep 23 2008, 08:54 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=555368
Its a matter of practice. I used to use the sides of my foot as well, until I bought Speedcats and the shoes weren't wide enough.

At first I was struggling with changing my heel toe technique, but after a while its become natural. Now I twist the foot around, but I can still do it well enough to run consistently quick circuit times.

I have Speedcats, too. They look and feel great, but are very, very narrow. Since I installed the Sparco throttle pedal, I can use the Speedcats without having to adjust my technique.

I've been driving the Skip Barber cars and you need to roll your foot in those, so I thought it would be best to fix the spacing in the Z instead of trying to master 2 methods.

I have my hands (or is that feet) full trying to do one method well! :rolf2:

Cheers! :cheers:
 

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Yeah, you lose practice if you don't do it.

For a while I could do both, but as I was wearing Speedcats every day for about half a year I pretty much forgot how to just use the sides of my foot.

Now that I regularly wear AF1's, I can use the sides of the foot but it feels weird and I'm not getting the timing right.
 

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In my GSX I could very easily heal toe and rev match my down shifts like a pro ( like I would in a touge race ). With the 350z I find it a little hard with the way the pedals are set up and by the extremely fast throttle response it has compared to the GSX.. I am getting better at the rev matching, 3ed to 2ed I find the hardest.
 

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+1 for rolling the foot. I find myself doing it pretty much all the time as well. even when driving sedately. keeps the practise in i suppose.
 

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im find it quite hard unless under hard braking.

light flywheel + turbo = very quick to rev. around town its almost impossible.
 

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I have used the heel-toe technique for years and found it slightly difficult in my Z. I bought some pedal covers from www.Autovation.net and have had no problems since installation. Here is a pic of my pedals.

Les

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i do not encounter a problem with the heel and toe technique sometimes is require to roll a bit.

the reason why the brake pedal is so far foward than the accelerator is to accomplish the treshhold braking in the sport car alltough it be really usefull if you had stiffer brakes and a bit of work in the braking hardwares.
 

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^ PROVE IT lol
 

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QUOTE (cycodelico @ Nov 13 2008, 07:38 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=559929
will do will do sir lol :) i even threw some rev matching there lol.

but there is only one little little prob does anyone know how i can post the videos here ? lol. :banghead: sorry im such a noob :banghead:

hmmm....int...er...est...ing :rolf2:

the main reasons of heel-toe is rev matching while braking so how do you suppose to throw in some rev-matching if you're heel-toeing already? kinda condescending don't ya think? :biggrin:
 

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Thats probably what he means
 

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QUOTE (Z you later @ Nov 13 2008, 08:42 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=559931
hmmm....int...er...est...ing :rolf2:

the main reasons of heel-toe is rev matching while braking so how do you suppose to throw in some rev-matching if you're heel-toeing already? kinda condescending don't ya think? :biggrin:
its funny how in the forums people are always looking for every little word just to comment on and make the person that posted seem dumb lol this is worst than a presidential campaign :cheers: well even though i still think all you guys are awsome.

well rev matching and heel and toe are 2 different techniques used in 2 different situations. so what i meant i threw both techniques in the video so you guys can see the way i do them in my z.

heel and toe - used mostly in racing to take a turn without losing the strongest part of the power band of the engine and in a sense taking the turn faster.there are 3 steps in taking a turn 1. turn in 2.carry out 3.exit the turn which in the exit is where you can gain the most adventage in the sense of shortening your lap times. the reason why you heel and toe in the turn in is to accomplish hard braking called treshhold braking (braking right to the point before your wheel lock) while the speed of the car decreases your rpms also do so you blip the throtle on the car for 2 reasons 1 make the downshift smoother during hard braking and 2 keep the engine in the best power band so you can manage a good carry out in the turn and definetelly good reaction in the exit of the turn.

rev matching - simply when you want to downshift without using the brake of the car this technique will make the downshift way more smooth by raising the rpms to match the lower gear selection (drifters use this technique somethimes) this technique is used in racing very very limited maybe to correct a gear possition to gain the upper hand toward the guy thast in front of you rarelly to work for a past or to just correct any minimun mistake.

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