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well it cannot be v35 because that's the g35/skyline.
and it cant even start with v thirty-anything because that's still g35/skyline and the gt-r is no longer a skyline.
it cannot be c35 because there already was a c35. i dont think it could be a c36 either because that's still nissan laurel, and the gt-r isn't a laurel, no matter how you slice it.
imo - between v,r, and c, it would make the most sense for it to be 'r' by far. this is not a nissan laurel in the same way that its not a skyline.
just how nissan went from z32-z33 even after having skipped a product cycle, the same could be done with the r34-r35.
and it cant even start with v thirty-anything because that's still g35/skyline and the gt-r is no longer a skyline.
it cannot be c35 because there already was a c35. i dont think it could be a c36 either because that's still nissan laurel, and the gt-r isn't a laurel, no matter how you slice it.
imo - between v,r, and c, it would make the most sense for it to be 'r' by far. this is not a nissan laurel in the same way that its not a skyline.
just how nissan went from z32-z33 even after having skipped a product cycle, the same could be done with the r34-r35.
i agree with you in that the most powerful designation would be R35. i am hoping it is R35. i am not assuming the position of desire for C36. R35 would ring in an amazing new reality to the GTR program.
were it C36, i would be okay with that. but now, i ask you, tekky, what is, then, the current chassis code, in longhand, for the Laurel? it must be at least 3 letters long and then a number. yes?
i ask you this because the very first GTRs were C10 and C110 (from the longhand KPGC10 and KPGC110).
were it C36, i would be okay with that. but now, i ask you, tekky, what is, then, the current chassis code, in longhand, for the Laurel? it must be at least 3 letters long and then a number. yes?
i ask you this because the very first GTRs were C10 and C110 (from the longhand KPGC10 and KPGC110).
first off, two cars could theoretically share the same letter- but it isnt normally done while both are in production in anywhere near similar segments. in any case when it is done, they usually have two totally seperate ranges. for instance you have the '99 tino (v10) and '03 skyline (v35).
in any case, from what i understand the first two letters designate a model out of a range. i believe the skyline sedan is really pv35 while the coupe is cpv35, although i am not sure. anyway in the case of the laurel, i think these are the designations for the c35 family (as well as their drivetrain):
HC35 (RB20DE / FR)
GC35 (RB25DE/T / FR)
GNC35 (RB25DE / AWD)
GCC35 (RB25DE/T / FR+AWS)
SC35 (RB28 / FR)
AWD= attesa
AWS=hicas
these cars shared some skyline components, but they are not skylines, and they're definitely not GT-Rs. they are no longer in production, the last generation was around 1999 i think.
i really think the C36 designation is rumor, perhaps started from someone who might not have known much about the Laurel. I maintain that R35 could realistically be the chassis code for the new GT-R. The skyline has already been seperated from it- the skyline is now the V series.
In MY09 I think we'll see Nissan Z34, R35, and V36 models for sale in the US, under their appropriate product names (Z, GT-R, and G)
in any case, from what i understand the first two letters designate a model out of a range. i believe the skyline sedan is really pv35 while the coupe is cpv35, although i am not sure. anyway in the case of the laurel, i think these are the designations for the c35 family (as well as their drivetrain):
HC35 (RB20DE / FR)
GC35 (RB25DE/T / FR)
GNC35 (RB25DE / AWD)
GCC35 (RB25DE/T / FR+AWS)
SC35 (RB28 / FR)
AWD= attesa
AWS=hicas
these cars shared some skyline components, but they are not skylines, and they're definitely not GT-Rs. they are no longer in production, the last generation was around 1999 i think.
i really think the C36 designation is rumor, perhaps started from someone who might not have known much about the Laurel. I maintain that R35 could realistically be the chassis code for the new GT-R. The skyline has already been seperated from it- the skyline is now the V series.
In MY09 I think we'll see Nissan Z34, R35, and V36 models for sale in the US, under their appropriate product names (Z, GT-R, and G)
I designed r35gtr.com 2 years ago, I got it up in the top ranks in search engines (when I thought for sure the next GT-R was R35), and trust me, now that I know it won't be R35, I have let it die down. People insist on it and keep searching for "r35 gtr" in google, yahoo, msn but they are ending at a dead end, it's not R35, would it be it, Nissan somehow would have mentioned the continuation, but alas they didn't.
in my opinion, Nissan is not mentioing jack **** about anything.
indeed, it may not be R anything. but who knows anything anymore. no matter what anyone mentions, it is never the "right" way. a magazine says "C36," and that's "not right" according to the fan community.
rumors remain "R35," and that's not right.
some say "V36," and that's not right.
so nobody is right, then. we can say any **** number we wish, and NONE OF THEM are "right."
it's "TY54" then. nope. that's not right. sam over here says it's "KJIO()" --and nope-- that's not right.
bob says it's a V8TT ---nope-- that's "not right."
hugh says it's a V6TT --nope--that's not right. that is rumor only. it's not confirmed or correct. it's just not right.
joe says it's an N/A V8 ---nope-- that's just "not right."
harry says "paddle shift" and ---nope-- that is just not right; it's just a rumor. and none of them are right.
larry says it's a 6spd manual and ----nope--- that is not right
the Proto has 20" wheels but the production car will have only 19"s ---nope-- that's not right
the Proto has 20" wheels and the production car will have 20"s ----nope-- that's not right
the Proto's roofline is awkward and i hear that's going to change ----nope---- that's not right
the Proto's roofline is aerodynamically structured and is a hallmark of the body design ----nope--- that's just not right
the GTR cannot possibly be light enough --- nope -- sorry, charlie -- that's not right
the GTR will be extremely lightweight and constructed of bonded aluminum sections ----nope --forget it, pal-- that's not right
the GTR will be priced around $60,000 --nope-- that's not right
the GTR will be priced around $80,000 --nope-- that's not right
the GTR will be R35 ---nope
the GTR will be C36 ---nope
the GTR will be V36 ---nope
the GTR will not have any coding ---nope
indeed, it may not be R anything. but who knows anything anymore. no matter what anyone mentions, it is never the "right" way. a magazine says "C36," and that's "not right" according to the fan community.
rumors remain "R35," and that's not right.
some say "V36," and that's not right.
so nobody is right, then. we can say any **** number we wish, and NONE OF THEM are "right."
it's "TY54" then. nope. that's not right. sam over here says it's "KJIO()" --and nope-- that's not right.
bob says it's a V8TT ---nope-- that's "not right."
hugh says it's a V6TT --nope--that's not right. that is rumor only. it's not confirmed or correct. it's just not right.
joe says it's an N/A V8 ---nope-- that's just "not right."
harry says "paddle shift" and ---nope-- that is just not right; it's just a rumor. and none of them are right.
larry says it's a 6spd manual and ----nope--- that is not right
the Proto has 20" wheels but the production car will have only 19"s ---nope-- that's not right
the Proto has 20" wheels and the production car will have 20"s ----nope-- that's not right
the Proto's roofline is awkward and i hear that's going to change ----nope---- that's not right
the Proto's roofline is aerodynamically structured and is a hallmark of the body design ----nope--- that's just not right
the GTR cannot possibly be light enough --- nope -- sorry, charlie -- that's not right
the GTR will be extremely lightweight and constructed of bonded aluminum sections ----nope --forget it, pal-- that's not right
the GTR will be priced around $60,000 --nope-- that's not right
the GTR will be priced around $80,000 --nope-- that's not right
the GTR will be R35 ---nope
the GTR will be C36 ---nope
the GTR will be V36 ---nope
the GTR will not have any coding ---nope
cosworth is involved ---nope, they're not involved
cosworth is not involved ---nope, they are involved
lotus is involved ---nope
lotus is not involved ---nope
GTR will have 500hp ---nope
GTR will have 450hp ---nope
GTR will have 400hp ---nope
GTR will have 350hp ---nope
lap times for GTR are more important than HP ----nope
HP for GTR is more important than laptimes ----nope
Porsche is going down ---nope
Corvette Z06 is "the best" ---nope
Corvette Z06 is "not the best" ---nope
Corvette Z06 is to be "feared" ---nope
Corvette Z06 is not to be feared --nope
Porsche 997tt is benchmark for GTR ---nope
Porsche 997tt is NOT benchmark for GTR ---nope
GTR will be TT ---nope, that's not right
GTR will be T ---nope, that's not right
GTR will be N/A ---nope, that's not right
GTR will have an engine ---nope
GTR is a big joke and cannot possibly live up to the R34 in style, heritage, performance, popularity, legend ---nope, that's not right
GTR is not a big joke and will go far and beyond the R34 in style, heritage, performance, popularity, and legend ---nope, forget it
GTR is it's own platform and is divorced from the Skyline lineage for the first time ---nope, that's not right
GTR will secretly remain a Skyline and we're all being taken for a ride ---nope, that's not right
GTR will debut at TMS in autumn 2007 ---nope
GTR will not debut at TMS in autumn 2007 ---nope
GTR will be sold in USDM spring of 2008 ---nope
GTR will not be sold in USDM in spring of 2008 ---nope
everyone is so certain that their rumor is the right one.
everyone can go **** off.
cosworth is not involved ---nope, they are involved
lotus is involved ---nope
lotus is not involved ---nope
GTR will have 500hp ---nope
GTR will have 450hp ---nope
GTR will have 400hp ---nope
GTR will have 350hp ---nope
lap times for GTR are more important than HP ----nope
HP for GTR is more important than laptimes ----nope
Porsche is going down ---nope
Corvette Z06 is "the best" ---nope
Corvette Z06 is "not the best" ---nope
Corvette Z06 is to be "feared" ---nope
Corvette Z06 is not to be feared --nope
Porsche 997tt is benchmark for GTR ---nope
Porsche 997tt is NOT benchmark for GTR ---nope
GTR will be TT ---nope, that's not right
GTR will be T ---nope, that's not right
GTR will be N/A ---nope, that's not right
GTR will have an engine ---nope
GTR is a big joke and cannot possibly live up to the R34 in style, heritage, performance, popularity, legend ---nope, that's not right
GTR is not a big joke and will go far and beyond the R34 in style, heritage, performance, popularity, and legend ---nope, forget it
GTR is it's own platform and is divorced from the Skyline lineage for the first time ---nope, that's not right
GTR will secretly remain a Skyline and we're all being taken for a ride ---nope, that's not right
GTR will debut at TMS in autumn 2007 ---nope
GTR will not debut at TMS in autumn 2007 ---nope
GTR will be sold in USDM spring of 2008 ---nope
GTR will not be sold in USDM in spring of 2008 ---nope
everyone is so certain that their rumor is the right one.
everyone can go **** off.
the eternal trumping of rumor against rumor is a pathetic roundabout merry-go-round of going-nowhere vanity. nobody knows. we can gather a lot from parallel developments across other manufacturer's developments for consumer-division sports car platforms. and we know from seeing other cars what is possible. and what may be in store.
the GTR is not any longer the R-series cars, even if the R is retained. the GTR is going beyond what it has ever been. that is the only known fact. how this manifests is entirely enigmatic. this is a case where the hidden features to appear on the car are under our noses and in plain sight, and the the seemingly obvious things to appear are hidden under layers of obscurity and are, perhaps, patently false.
it would follow to reason that to follow reason is dangerous. the GTR is already not following the triangularity of typical coupe shapes; alas, it retains the angry boxiness of it's predecessors. it is not an aero queen or posh machine of the euro-elitist aficionados. it deliberately flouts this pigeonholeable form and function. it is not the jelly-bean porsche. it is not the expected ferrari shape. it is not the sedan-based rice rocket. it is it's own thing. it is the GTR.
the mystique is already upon us in our unknowing and confusion. what is expected is kept hidden as well. this only makes a case against finding what is expected to be actually appearing. the apprehension among tuners at the possibility of no turbos, of only one turbo, of a V8, is felt and heard by Nissan. the world responded to Infiniti GTR with nearly 100% thumbs down. so it is Nissan GTR. nobody wants a supercharger but a scant minority, nobody wants an N/A GTR but a scant minority, nobody wants a V8 but a scant minority.
the reality of the GTR will undoubtedly far exceed what we have expected or even thought about creating for a sports car. while one hand is doing the three card monte', Nissan's other hand is creating entirely new things that are not understood.
the GTR is not any longer the R-series cars, even if the R is retained. the GTR is going beyond what it has ever been. that is the only known fact. how this manifests is entirely enigmatic. this is a case where the hidden features to appear on the car are under our noses and in plain sight, and the the seemingly obvious things to appear are hidden under layers of obscurity and are, perhaps, patently false.
it would follow to reason that to follow reason is dangerous. the GTR is already not following the triangularity of typical coupe shapes; alas, it retains the angry boxiness of it's predecessors. it is not an aero queen or posh machine of the euro-elitist aficionados. it deliberately flouts this pigeonholeable form and function. it is not the jelly-bean porsche. it is not the expected ferrari shape. it is not the sedan-based rice rocket. it is it's own thing. it is the GTR.
the mystique is already upon us in our unknowing and confusion. what is expected is kept hidden as well. this only makes a case against finding what is expected to be actually appearing. the apprehension among tuners at the possibility of no turbos, of only one turbo, of a V8, is felt and heard by Nissan. the world responded to Infiniti GTR with nearly 100% thumbs down. so it is Nissan GTR. nobody wants a supercharger but a scant minority, nobody wants an N/A GTR but a scant minority, nobody wants a V8 but a scant minority.
the reality of the GTR will undoubtedly far exceed what we have expected or even thought about creating for a sports car. while one hand is doing the three card monte', Nissan's other hand is creating entirely new things that are not understood.
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No. According to Wikipedia the R390's ran in the late 90's with moderate success, the program was shelved when the FIA changed rules. Currently Nissan is running a "GT-R" in FIA sanctioned Le Mans racing (doesn't qualify for GT in ALMS or at Le Mans).
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Between1989 and 2002, Nissan version of its Skyline range called Nissan Skyline GT-R, which proved to be iconic for Nissan and achieved much fame and success on road. GT R35 is based on Nissan skyline GT-R.GT-R35 is to fast road cars. It has been tested to achieve 0-60 mph in 3.4 seconds.
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