aaaahh yes. thanks for this thread. the Z-Tune R34 is one of the most awesome roadcars ever built. it 700% carries forward the GTR heritage and pride as a symbol of power and respect and design excellence.
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that is intoxicating to watch. we get to take a whole lap around the nurburgring. super nice.
R34 V Spec II NUR held the fastest lap time for a production car at the Nurburgring at 7:52, seven seconds quicker than the best R33. but i don't know the year. that time has probably been superceded by now.
Ring laptimes are often "mysterious" if you know what i mean 
waitin prolly meant that the Z06 ran 4 sec slower, whatever the faster time was. so if the V-Spec did 7:52, the Z06 did it approx in 7:56.
either you're source is incorrect. or the idea that the Z06 did it 4 sec slower than the V-Spec is incorrect. or the time i sourced is incorrect. but my post is corroborated elsewhere. so who knows. Ring times are too often cited incorrectly as rumor, or just unknown. it is very likely the Corvette did it faster because that car is a good deal lighter than the R34 GTR. one of the supreme disadvantages of the GTR has been it's weight.
something else to note, as i reiterate this schtick here: if Lotus is also developing, at least heavily influencing, the chassis/monocoque (as this is part of the suspension system, really), the GTR will be feather-light, relatively speaking. perhaps lighter than the 350Z. this should take care of the Z06.
waitin prolly meant that the Z06 ran 4 sec slower, whatever the faster time was. so if the V-Spec did 7:52, the Z06 did it approx in 7:56.
either you're source is incorrect. or the idea that the Z06 did it 4 sec slower than the V-Spec is incorrect. or the time i sourced is incorrect. but my post is corroborated elsewhere. so who knows. Ring times are too often cited incorrectly as rumor, or just unknown. it is very likely the Corvette did it faster because that car is a good deal lighter than the R34 GTR. one of the supreme disadvantages of the GTR has been it's weight.
something else to note, as i reiterate this schtick here: if Lotus is also developing, at least heavily influencing, the chassis/monocoque (as this is part of the suspension system, really), the GTR will be feather-light, relatively speaking. perhaps lighter than the 350Z. this should take care of the Z06.
^^^yes, absolutely, i'd love the GTR no matter what too. i'm not really worried whatsoever about Corvette. i never have been, despite it's successful foray into LeMans, Rolex, and Sebring, i'm more vigilant of what Porsche, Ferrari, and Aston Martin have been turning out lately. as advanced and cool as the Corvette is, it's seemingly out of it's depth among these cars, but, actually, upon closer examination is a formidable track weapon nonetheless. Corvette runs with the best of them. but the GTR will supercede the C6R/Z06, certainly.
*in due respect, please consider Corvette's recent racing history. it's legit and noteworthy:
(excerpt from):
http://www.americanlemans.com/news/Article.aspx?ID=1898
"The number of consecutive Series wins in GT1 for Olivier Beretta and Oliver Gavin in Corvette Racing's No. 4 Corvette C6.R. The defending class champions won the last five Series events of 2005 (not including a second straight win at Le Mans) before triumphing at Sebring (with Jan Magnussen) by a lap over Aston Martin Racing's No. 009 Aston Martin DBR9."
"The number of career victories in the American Le Mans Series for Beretta. The three-time season champion moved past Corvette Racing teammates Johnny O'Connell and Ron Fellows.
"Each time I win a race with Corvette Racing, I always think, wow that was a good one!" Beretta said. "It looks like every time we go to a race that we need to win, it is another fantastic victory."
...The number of victories by Corvette Racing in the Series. Alex Job Racing is second with 36."
*in due respect, please consider Corvette's recent racing history. it's legit and noteworthy:
(excerpt from):
http://www.americanlemans.com/news/Article.aspx?ID=1898
"The number of consecutive Series wins in GT1 for Olivier Beretta and Oliver Gavin in Corvette Racing's No. 4 Corvette C6.R. The defending class champions won the last five Series events of 2005 (not including a second straight win at Le Mans) before triumphing at Sebring (with Jan Magnussen) by a lap over Aston Martin Racing's No. 009 Aston Martin DBR9."
"The number of career victories in the American Le Mans Series for Beretta. The three-time season champion moved past Corvette Racing teammates Johnny O'Connell and Ron Fellows.
"Each time I win a race with Corvette Racing, I always think, wow that was a good one!" Beretta said. "It looks like every time we go to a race that we need to win, it is another fantastic victory."
...The number of victories by Corvette Racing in the Series. Alex Job Racing is second with 36."
found this:
Nurburgring最速排行榜-Nurburgring Lap Times
6:59 --- Ferrari 312T, Niki Lauda, German GP, training (1975)
7:06 --- Ferrari 312T, Clay Regazzoni, German GP, race (1975)
*1.2km longer circuit than standard Nordschleife
6:11 --- Porsche 956, Group C, Stefan Bellof, training (1983)
6:26 --- Porsche 956, Group C, Stefan Bellof, race (1983)
6:41 --- Porsche 956, Group C, Derek Bell
7:50 --- BMW X5 Le Mans V12, Hans Stuck (2001)
*0.232 km longer than current, standard Nordschleife
7:06 --- BMW M3 GTR, 24hrs, test session, J?rg Müller (2003)
7:18.1-- Donkervoort D8 RS (12/2004)
7:19 --- Radical SR3 Turbo (2003)
7:20* -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 2003) *estimated
7:25 --- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:28 --- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther R?hrl, Autobild July 2004
7:32.4 -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time by Horst Von Saurma
7:32.5 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (2001)
7:36 --- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther R?hrl (2002)
7:40* -- Porsche Carrera GT, *estimated time on cold and partially wet track (2003)
7:40 --- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig, Autobild July 2004
7:42 --- Radical 1500 SR3 (2002)
7:43 --- TechArt GT Street (2001)
7:43 --- Porsche 996 911 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Rohrl, MOTOR Magazine
7:43.5 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine, 2002)
7:44 --- Pagani Zonda C12S (07/2003)
7:45 --- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 (12/2000)
7:46 --- Porsche 996 GT2
7:46 --- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (1999)
7:47 --- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381PS (996) (2004)
7:49 --- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup
7:50 --- BMW E46 M3 CSL (08/2003)
7:50 --- Blitz Supra, 750 PS, Herbert Schürg (1997)
7:50 --- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (1993)
7:50 --- Lamborghini Murcielago (06/2002)
7:52 --- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (1995)
7:52 --- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (12/2003)
7:52 --- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (06/2004)
7:54 --- Porsche GT3 (996) (2003)
7:55 --- Caterham R500 Superlight (2002)
7:56 --- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (02/2004)
7:56 --- Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (tested by Dave Hill)
7:56.73- Honda NSX-R 黑泽元治(2002)
7:57 --- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600 PS, racing suspension
7:59 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Performance Chassis) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:01.72- Nissan R33GT-R 黑泽元治(1995)
8:02 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Sport PASM setting) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:03 --- Porsche 996 GT3 (1999)
8:03.86- Honda NSX-R 黑泽元治(1992)
8:04 --- Lamborghini Diablo GT (07/2000)
8:05 --- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1 (12/2002)
8:05 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Normal PASM setting)(Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:06 --- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG
8:06 --- Caterham 7 Superlight R, Robert Nearn
8:06.1 - Subaru WRX STi Spec-C 黑泽元治 (2004)
8:07 --- Ferrari 550 Maranello (06/1998)
8:09 --- Honda NSX-R 3.2 (08/2002)
8:09 --- Ferrari 360 Modena (10/1999)
8:09 --- Lamborghini Diablo SV (no ABS?)
8:10 --- Chrysler Viper GTS, 411PS, UK-Spec, no ABS (10/1997)
8:10 --- Donkervoort D8 180R
8:11 --- Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX (06/2004)
8:12 --- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (04/2002)
8:12 --- Porsche 993 Turbo
8:13 --- Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS (05/1999)
8:13 --- Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 PS (10/2004)
8:13 --- BMW M5 (E60) (12/2004)
8:14.98- Mitsubishi Lancer GSR Evolution VI MR 中谷明彦(2003)
8:15 --- Ruf 911 CTR 2, 520 PS
8:15*-- Holden GTS (2000), *estimated
8:15 --- Porsche 911 Carrera 2 (997) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:16 --- AC-Schnitzer E36 M3 CLS II, 350 PS (11/1997)
8:16 --- AC Schnitzer Z4 V8 Topster (01/2005)
8:16.15- Honda NSX 黑泽元治 (1990)
8:17 --- Aston Martin Vanquish (2003)
8:17 --- Porsche 996 C2
8:18 --- BMW Z8, 400 PS (08/2000)
8:18 --- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344 PS (09/2003)
8:18 --- Ferrari F355 (06/1997)
8:20 --- Audi RS6 (2002)
8:22 --- BMW E46 M3 (12/2000)
8:22 --- BMW M Coupe, 321 PS (10/1998)
8:22 --- Mercedes-Benz C55 (07/2004)
8:22.38- Nissan R32GT-R 黑泽元治 (1989)
8:23 --- Aston Martin DB7 GT (2003)
8:23 --- Porsche 996 Carrera 4
8:24 --- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (2004)
8:25 --- Audi RS4 375 HP
8:25 --- Callaway C12
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI (11/1999)
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (11/2002)
8:26 --- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG (05/2001)
8:26 --- Nissan 350Z (2003)
8:28 --- BMW M5, 400 PS(also confirmed by Motor Commodore magazine, 2000)
8:28 --- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- Porsche 993 Carrera 2
8:29 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG (05/2000)
8:29 --- Audi S4 4.2 Avant (11/2003)
8:30 --- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa (10/2002)
8:31 --- Ferrari F355 GTS, 380 PS
8:32 --- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS (09/1997)
8:32 --- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (05/2003)
8:32 --- Porsche Boxster S
8:32 --- Volkswagen Golf R32
8:34 --- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS (04/2001)
8:35 --- BMW M3 Coupe, 321 PS
8:35 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé (02/2002)
8:35 --- BMW 130i >>> Link
8:36 --- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (07/1999)
8:37 --- Maserati 3200GT (2002)
8:37 --- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG (09/2001)
8:37 --- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo
8:37 --- Honda NSX 3.0 (07/1991)
8:38 --- Honda NSX 3.2 (08/1997)
8:38 --- Mercedes Benz SL500 (12/2001)
8:38 --- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296 PS
8:38 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8 (12/1998)
8:39 --- Honda S2000 (01/2000)
8:39 --- Morgan Aero 8 (04/2003)
8:40 --- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
8:40 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5 Targa Automatic (07/1997)
8:41 --- Aston Martin DB7 (1999)
8:41 --- Audi S3, 210 PS (06/1999)
8:42 --- Audi S4, 265 PS (08/1998)
8:42 --- Lotus Exige (11/2000)
8:43 --- Honda Integra Type R (12/2000)
8:44 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5
8:45 --- Chevrolet Corvette, 339 PS, automatic
8:46 --- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285 PS
8:47 --- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS (11/2001)
8:49 --- Jaguar XKR Coupe (07/1998)
8:49 --- Renault Clio Sport V6
8:49 --- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupé, 225 PS (11/1998)
8:50* -- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (2000)
8:51 --- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG (02/1998)
8:52 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 430
8:58 --- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (07/1991)
9:09 --- Volkswagen Golf V6 4Motion
http://www.gtkings.com/forum/simple/index.php?t4831.html
http://www.nordschleife.no/
Nurburgring最速排行榜-Nurburgring Lap Times
6:59 --- Ferrari 312T, Niki Lauda, German GP, training (1975)
7:06 --- Ferrari 312T, Clay Regazzoni, German GP, race (1975)
*1.2km longer circuit than standard Nordschleife
6:11 --- Porsche 956, Group C, Stefan Bellof, training (1983)
6:26 --- Porsche 956, Group C, Stefan Bellof, race (1983)
6:41 --- Porsche 956, Group C, Derek Bell
7:50 --- BMW X5 Le Mans V12, Hans Stuck (2001)
*0.232 km longer than current, standard Nordschleife
7:06 --- BMW M3 GTR, 24hrs, test session, J?rg Müller (2003)
7:18.1-- Donkervoort D8 RS (12/2004)
7:19 --- Radical SR3 Turbo (2003)
7:20* -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 2003) *estimated
7:25 --- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:28 --- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther R?hrl, Autobild July 2004
7:32.4 -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time by Horst Von Saurma
7:32.5 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (2001)
7:36 --- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther R?hrl (2002)
7:40* -- Porsche Carrera GT, *estimated time on cold and partially wet track (2003)
7:40 --- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig, Autobild July 2004
7:42 --- Radical 1500 SR3 (2002)
7:43 --- TechArt GT Street (2001)
7:43 --- Porsche 996 911 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Rohrl, MOTOR Magazine
7:43.5 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine, 2002)
7:44 --- Pagani Zonda C12S (07/2003)
7:45 --- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 (12/2000)
7:46 --- Porsche 996 GT2
7:46 --- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (1999)
7:47 --- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381PS (996) (2004)
7:49 --- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup
7:50 --- BMW E46 M3 CSL (08/2003)
7:50 --- Blitz Supra, 750 PS, Herbert Schürg (1997)
7:50 --- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (1993)
7:50 --- Lamborghini Murcielago (06/2002)
7:52 --- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (1995)
7:52 --- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (12/2003)
7:52 --- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (06/2004)
7:54 --- Porsche GT3 (996) (2003)
7:55 --- Caterham R500 Superlight (2002)
7:56 --- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (02/2004)
7:56 --- Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (tested by Dave Hill)
7:56.73- Honda NSX-R 黑泽元治(2002)
7:57 --- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600 PS, racing suspension
7:59 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Performance Chassis) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:01.72- Nissan R33GT-R 黑泽元治(1995)
8:02 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Sport PASM setting) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:03 --- Porsche 996 GT3 (1999)
8:03.86- Honda NSX-R 黑泽元治(1992)
8:04 --- Lamborghini Diablo GT (07/2000)
8:05 --- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1 (12/2002)
8:05 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Normal PASM setting)(Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:06 --- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG
8:06 --- Caterham 7 Superlight R, Robert Nearn
8:06.1 - Subaru WRX STi Spec-C 黑泽元治 (2004)
8:07 --- Ferrari 550 Maranello (06/1998)
8:09 --- Honda NSX-R 3.2 (08/2002)
8:09 --- Ferrari 360 Modena (10/1999)
8:09 --- Lamborghini Diablo SV (no ABS?)
8:10 --- Chrysler Viper GTS, 411PS, UK-Spec, no ABS (10/1997)
8:10 --- Donkervoort D8 180R
8:11 --- Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX (06/2004)
8:12 --- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (04/2002)
8:12 --- Porsche 993 Turbo
8:13 --- Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS (05/1999)
8:13 --- Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 PS (10/2004)
8:13 --- BMW M5 (E60) (12/2004)
8:14.98- Mitsubishi Lancer GSR Evolution VI MR 中谷明彦(2003)
8:15 --- Ruf 911 CTR 2, 520 PS
8:15*-- Holden GTS (2000), *estimated
8:15 --- Porsche 911 Carrera 2 (997) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:16 --- AC-Schnitzer E36 M3 CLS II, 350 PS (11/1997)
8:16 --- AC Schnitzer Z4 V8 Topster (01/2005)
8:16.15- Honda NSX 黑泽元治 (1990)
8:17 --- Aston Martin Vanquish (2003)
8:17 --- Porsche 996 C2
8:18 --- BMW Z8, 400 PS (08/2000)
8:18 --- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344 PS (09/2003)
8:18 --- Ferrari F355 (06/1997)
8:20 --- Audi RS6 (2002)
8:22 --- BMW E46 M3 (12/2000)
8:22 --- BMW M Coupe, 321 PS (10/1998)
8:22 --- Mercedes-Benz C55 (07/2004)
8:22.38- Nissan R32GT-R 黑泽元治 (1989)
8:23 --- Aston Martin DB7 GT (2003)
8:23 --- Porsche 996 Carrera 4
8:24 --- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (2004)
8:25 --- Audi RS4 375 HP
8:25 --- Callaway C12
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI (11/1999)
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (11/2002)
8:26 --- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG (05/2001)
8:26 --- Nissan 350Z (2003)
8:28 --- BMW M5, 400 PS(also confirmed by Motor Commodore magazine, 2000)
8:28 --- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- Porsche 993 Carrera 2
8:29 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG (05/2000)
8:29 --- Audi S4 4.2 Avant (11/2003)
8:30 --- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa (10/2002)
8:31 --- Ferrari F355 GTS, 380 PS
8:32 --- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS (09/1997)
8:32 --- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (05/2003)
8:32 --- Porsche Boxster S
8:32 --- Volkswagen Golf R32
8:34 --- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS (04/2001)
8:35 --- BMW M3 Coupe, 321 PS
8:35 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé (02/2002)
8:35 --- BMW 130i >>> Link
8:36 --- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (07/1999)
8:37 --- Maserati 3200GT (2002)
8:37 --- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG (09/2001)
8:37 --- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo
8:37 --- Honda NSX 3.0 (07/1991)
8:38 --- Honda NSX 3.2 (08/1997)
8:38 --- Mercedes Benz SL500 (12/2001)
8:38 --- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296 PS
8:38 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8 (12/1998)
8:39 --- Honda S2000 (01/2000)
8:39 --- Morgan Aero 8 (04/2003)
8:40 --- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
8:40 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5 Targa Automatic (07/1997)
8:41 --- Aston Martin DB7 (1999)
8:41 --- Audi S3, 210 PS (06/1999)
8:42 --- Audi S4, 265 PS (08/1998)
8:42 --- Lotus Exige (11/2000)
8:43 --- Honda Integra Type R (12/2000)
8:44 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5
8:45 --- Chevrolet Corvette, 339 PS, automatic
8:46 --- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285 PS
8:47 --- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS (11/2001)
8:49 --- Jaguar XKR Coupe (07/1998)
8:49 --- Renault Clio Sport V6
8:49 --- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupé, 225 PS (11/1998)
8:50* -- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (2000)
8:51 --- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG (02/1998)
8:52 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 430
8:58 --- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (07/1991)
9:09 --- Volkswagen Golf V6 4Motion
http://www.gtkings.com/forum/simple/index.php?t4831.html
http://www.nordschleife.no/
welp, i don't see a GTR anywhere on the list faster than 8:00mn. but i do see Corvette C6 at 7:56. i cited 2 sources below on the last post to corroborate this. so the info i had about the V-Spec II Nur GTR34 must be heresay or bogus, too.
what i don't understand is that being that the GTR34 V-Spec II "Nur" is deliberately spec'd and named as a tribute and homage to the Nurburgring, why are it's laptimes either not listed officially, or mysterious? rather, how many "official" lists are there, then? and where are they? you'd think that car would wear it's laptimes on it's sleeve. but it doesn't apparently. and why is there no Z-Tune Nurburgring time? they didn't run that thing around the 'Ring, too? almost certainly with the right driver, it would break the 8:00 barrier.
the dominant cars are clearly Porsche and Ferrari.
what i don't understand is that being that the GTR34 V-Spec II "Nur" is deliberately spec'd and named as a tribute and homage to the Nurburgring, why are it's laptimes either not listed officially, or mysterious? rather, how many "official" lists are there, then? and where are they? you'd think that car would wear it's laptimes on it's sleeve. but it doesn't apparently. and why is there no Z-Tune Nurburgring time? they didn't run that thing around the 'Ring, too? almost certainly with the right driver, it would break the 8:00 barrier.
the dominant cars are clearly Porsche and Ferrari.
thanks, scathing, for that bit of info. i was not fully clear about the Nur, then, nor the N1 GTR. coolness. i learn something new every day.
but how about lap times for them? and the Z-Tune? you cannot tell me such times do not exist. they **** well ran the Z-Tune there. any clues?
but how about lap times for them? and the Z-Tune? you cannot tell me such times do not exist. they **** well ran the Z-Tune there. any clues?
what do you mean? which element? the pinched vent thing at the corner? i don't see that on the Z.
i must be missing something because i see no such pinched vent like things on the stock Z.
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