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QUOTE (Groover @ Apr 24 2008, 04:14 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=521444
None of you (in the USA) should be complaining about the price of fuel. You have probably the cheapest fuel in the western world.

To put it in perspective. You guys are paying about $1.08 AUD per litre (assuming $3.85 per US Gallon & 1 US Gallon = 3.78 Litres & $1.00AUD = $0.95USD).

In Australia we pay $1.50+ per litre which would roughly be the same as you paying $5.38 US per gallon ((1.5 x 3.78) x 0.95).

It is even more expensive in the UK! ... about the equivalent of $9 USD per US Gallon.
In my area we pay $1.34 per litre for 94 Oct @ Petro Canada and the V power at Shell is $1.34 and i get good mileage so i dont mind! :cheers: and the 91 Oct is around $1.27 so i dont mind spending a lil more for the good stuff :irock:

And you guys in the states got it for cheap so yall shouldnt whine :rolf2:
 

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QUOTE (Sisko99 @ Apr 24 2008, 08:43 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=521533
I filled up the other day at $3.76/gallon for 93 Octane at the Cashions down the street. I used to buy BP gas only....but it's the most expensive gas here in NC for the most part.

I know this isn't in the politics area....but you can thank your friendly neighborhood Enviro-Wacko for these prices. The last oil refinery built in this country was back in 1976. We've so far out stripped out refining capacity that most of the gasoline we buy is refined in other countries. And the sad thing is that the new technologies available to refine gas are so much more efficient...yet we can't implement then because we can't shut the ones we've got down for long enough to do it without creating major problems. One great idea that I've seen is this: Remember all those military bases that Bill Clinton shut down? Well...I bet you didn't know that that land is just sitting there unused because the EPA won't allow anyone to use it because of the environmental "damage" done to it. Well....what if we used that already damaged land to put new oil refineries on? It's already screwed up and can't use it for anything else (like residential housing...or a new shopping mall (like we need yet another one of those)). But alas....I doubt that will happen.

And then there's always the section of ANWR that was specifically set aside for Oil Exploration.....the ugly part that nothing grows or lives in.....that we can't use as it was intended because it's upsetting the Environmentalists.

Though the folks I REALLY wish would get their arses in gear are down in Florida. On the Gulf Coast of Florida...there are massive oil deposits. Only problem is that the government of Florida won't allow drilling platforms to be placed 25 miles off shore because some tourist might see one. Yeah...if they get on a boat and go looking for one.

And then there's the process for turning Oil Shale into actual oil for use....but no...we can't do that either.

And then there's the BS about different grades of gasoline. Why does the West Coast need 91 octane when everyone else uses 93? Do you even know anyone that uses 89 octane? Just imagine if we eliminated 91 and 89 octane and produced only 93 and 87. We're wasting resources (both crude oil and refinery capacity) on stupidity.

Don't even get me started on Nuclear Energy blockages and then that bloody moron Teddy Kennedy and his "You can't build an off-shore windmill farm because I might see if from my sail boat as I go sailing past" BS.

And how about putting that research money into a power source technology that will actually work rather than into BS Ethanol (which, BTW...you have to burn MORE of to get the same power output as gasoline). That technology is Hydrogen Fuel Cells. There are already self-contained Electrolysis Stations that can be set up by a water source...and use solar power to create the energy they need to generate Hydrogen to be used as fuel. That hydrogen is then converted to electricity by what's called Proton Exchange Membrane...and comes out the other side as water again when it bonds with the oxygen in the air. They're already building PEM Cell Stacks that can power city buses. That's a couple hundred kilowatts. Now...imagine if a concerted effort was made to support these technologies. Maybe we wouldn't need oil at all for transportation in a relatively short time. ---But guess what that means for us, the Z driver? Less Demand causes prices to go down...which means we can go have more fun.

There are things we can do to both reduce our need for foreign oil and bring the prices down...but we've got [email protected]#$%^ idiots standing in the way!
Thats REal Talk man!
 

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I payed 3.99 last week in NYC for 93. Sucks, but what are ya gonna do. My car sits for about 2 weeks out of the month, so it really doesn't effect me much.
 

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I just paid $3.79 for 93 at BP. :OMG: Then I noticed I was in the full service line. They refunded me the difference. I was looking at the sign that advertised $3.54 for premium.

Anyway, $66 later and I thought that had to be a record for my Z.
 

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QUOTE (Sisko99 @ Apr 24 2008, 08:43 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=521533
And how about putting that research money into a power source technology that will actually work rather than into BS Ethanol (which, BTW...you have to burn MORE of to get the same power output as gasoline). That technology is Hydrogen Fuel Cells. There are already self-contained Electrolysis Stations that can be set up by a water source...and use solar power to create the energy they need to generate Hydrogen to be used as fuel. That hydrogen is then converted to electricity by what's called Proton Exchange Membrane...and comes out the other side as water again when it bonds with the oxygen in the air. They're already building PEM Cell Stacks that can power city buses. That's a couple hundred kilowatts. Now...imagine if a concerted effort was made to support these technologies. Maybe we wouldn't need oil at all for transportation in a relatively short time. ---But guess what that means for us, the Z driver? Less Demand causes prices to go down...which means we can go have more fun.
I agree with almost all of your post with the exception of this paragraph. I cannot understand why people think that hydrogen is a good idea for a fuel source.

There is a Navy base about 10 minutes from my house... Lakehurst Naval Air Station. Something happened there on May 6, 1937. Google it.
 

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http://www.newsweek.com/id/133994&GT1=43001

This article is full of bullshit. They claim that in order to curb our consumption, gas prices need to be $6 a gallon. They also suggest that we should stop going on long road trips. So that means we do nothing except stay at home and work. This flies in the face of everything American. Long road trips across the US or even your own home state helps fuel the economy and keeps the family business alive. It also lets us appreciate the countryside and see things we'd never get to enjoy if we stayed close to the 'hood.

It only makes sense that if the economy has improved over the decades and people are able to achieve better jobs with a better educational background, we'll spend more. We buy homes outside the city limits and commute, we have larger families so we buy bigger vehicles, and we shop more because there is more to buy since we're now a DIY nation. Our population is growing, yet these experts say we shouldn't be consuming more gas. :wtf:

To **** with the experts. What we really need is an alternate fuel source to supplement the gasoline. We should take advantage of technology and give the fledgling industry that is willing to introduce us to other forms of energy. Why can't we upgrade the refineries and the nuclear plants? Why can't the govt give tax breaks en masse to the public for using solar or wind power?

As much as I hate paying high gas prices, I think I'm tired of reading about experts telling us how to live our lives and spend our money. Those **** experts should be more productive and influence Congress to help out the economy by becoming less dependent on foreign energy sources.
 

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Shell stations are pricing 93 octane @ $3.79 locally.


There is no reason to build new refineries. Global peak oil production has been reached according to most experts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil

In the 1930s the global population was ~2 billion. Now we are at ~6.6 billion and expect to hit 9 billion in 2050. India will soon surpass China as the most populous country and they are just begining to enter their industrialized period.

Even if the US drills in Federally protected areas and begins pumping tomorrow I doubt that these wells would produce enough of a surplus to drive down the cost at the pump.

As for the oil shale in Canada, China has offered to build the pipeline to carry oil extracted from the shale to the Pacific for shipment via tanker to China.

Enjoy these cheap gas (sub $5) prices while they last. ~$200 per barrel is right arouind the corner.
 

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Wouldn't it make more sense to refurbish the old refineries and bring them up to date?

I say we 'invade' Canada and make it another 50 states. :biggrin:

Anyone remember the song Red Barchetta? We're headed that way.
 

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QUOTE (SmoothZ @ Apr 28 2008, 02:17 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=522709
Wouldn't it make more sense to refurbish the old refineries and bring them up to date?

I say we 'invade' Canada and make it another 50 states. :biggrin:

Anyone remember the song Red Barchetta? We're headed that way.
If refurbishing causes the refinery to drop production during equipment upgrades then prices will become arrtificially inflated.
 

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QUOTE (SmoothZ @ Apr 28 2008, 01:17 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=522709
Wouldn't it make more sense to refurbish the old refineries and bring them up to date?

I say we 'invade' Canada and make it another 50 states. :biggrin:

Anyone remember the song Red Barchetta? We're headed that way.
Personally, I view Canada as a 51st state anyway... If they ever get invaded by someone else, who do you think is going to stand up for them? The Canadian Army? Do they even have an army? You know we'll jump up there and protect them. If anything, Canada is a big long buffer zone to guard against invasion of the Northern US border. : ) Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Canada. I just see them as the nerdy kid that let's the jock cheat off of him in math class to get in with the cool crowd.
 

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QUOTE (Z you later @ Apr 25 2008, 10:58 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=521899
i was watching the news a couple of days ago and apparently if things keep going the way it is government might step in to regulate the prices and lower them back to where they should be
Great...just what we need.....MORE government.
 

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QUOTE (Sisko99 @ Apr 29 2008, 12:02 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=523088
Great...just what we need.....MORE government.
No, we don't need more government.

But you don't think that the oil lobby will allow price regulation legislation to get to the floor of either house do you?
 

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QUOTE (KShep @ Apr 29 2008, 01:51 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=523124
No, we don't need more government.

But you don't think that the oil lobby will allow price regulation legislation to get to the floor of either house do you?
They shouldn't.....

Nor should price regulation of timber, construction, farming, doctors, teachers,...........maybe lawyers. lol
 
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