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Putin: U.S. has triggered new arms race
By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 31 minutes ago



President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that tests of new Russian missiles were a response to the planned deployment of U.S. missile defense installations and other forces in Europe, suggesting Washington has triggered a new arms race.

In a clear reference to the United States, he harshly criticized "imperialism" in global affairs and warned that Russia will strengthen its military potential to maintain a global strategic balance.

"It wasn't us who initiated a new round of arms race," Putin said when asked about Russia's missile tests at a news conference after talks in the Kremlin with Greek President Karolos Papoulias.

Putin described Tuesday's tests of a new ballistic missile capable of carrying multiple nuclear warheads and a new cruise missile as part of the Russian response to the planned deployment of new U.S. military bases and missile defense sites in ex-Soviet satellites in Central and Eastern Europe.

He assailed the United States and other NATO members for failing to ratify an amended version of the 1990 Conventional Forces in Europe (CFE) treaty, which limits the deployment of heavy non-nuclear weapons around the continent.

"We have signed and ratified the CFE and are fully implementing it. We have pulled out all our heavy weapons from the European part of Russia to (locations) behind the Ural Mountains and cut our military by 300,000 men," Putin said.

"And what about our partners? They are filling Eastern Europe with new weapons. A new base in Bulgaria, another one in Romania, a (missile defense) site in Poland and a radar in the Czech Republic," he said. "What we are supposed to do? We can't just sit back and look at that."

Putin and other Russian officials have repeatedly rejected U.S. assurances that the planned missile defense installations are meant to counter a potential threat from nations such as Iran and pose no danger to Russia.

Putin reaffirmed his warning that Russia would opt out of the CFE treaty altogether if NATO nations fail to ratify its amended version.

"Either you ratify the treaty and start observing it, or we will opt out of it," Putin said.

In remarks clearly directed against Washington, Putin blasted those "who want to dictate their will to all others regardless of international norms and law."

"It's dangerous and harmful," he added. "Norms of the international law were replaced with political expediency. We view it as diktat and imperialism."

Russia this week initiated an international conference to be held in Austria in early June to discuss the situation around the CFE treaty.

Putin described the tests of new missiles conducted by Russia on Tuesday as a necessary response to the Western action.

"There is no reason to fear these actions by Russia, they aren't aggressive. It's merely a response to tough and unfounded unilateral actions by our partners," he said. "These actions are aimed at preserving a global balance."

In one missile test Tuesday, a prototype of new Russia's intercontinental ballistic missile, called the RS-24, was fired from a mobile launcher at the Plesetsk launch site in northwestern Russia and its test warhead landed on target 3,400 miles away on the Far Eastern Kamchatka Peninsula, officials said. Russia's military also tested a new cruise missile based on the existing short-range Iskander missile.

"We will keep modernizing our potential," Putin said.




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I cant read this right now so Im taking it we are almost in another Cold War?
 

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We have been flexing our military strength all over the world for quite awhile. It is(was) only a matter of time before we piss on enough ant beds to trigger another arms race. I am with Putin, I wouldn't believe a single word spilling out of the mouth of our President and defense department at this time.
 

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I cant read this right now so Im taking it we are almost in another Cold War?
Well, Putin is saying that the US is about to start one by placing missiles in Central and Eastern Europe that could be used against them.

Think of it like the Cuban Missile Crisis, only right now there's no "crisis," and we're the ones causing the uproar this time.

Russia is now testing missles to counter any attack, and to stop the installation of our new missiles in Europe.


"President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that tests of new Russian missiles were a response to the planned deployment of U.S. missile defense installations and other forces in Europe, suggesting Washington has triggered a new arms race.

In a clear reference to the United States, he harshly criticized "imperialism" in global affairs and warned that Russia will strengthen its military potential to maintain a global strategic balance.

"It wasn't us who initiated a new round of arms race," Putin said when asked about Russia's missile tests at a news conference after talks in the Kremlin with Greek President Karolos Papoulias.

Putin described Tuesday's tests of a new ballistic missile capable of carrying multiple nuclear warheads and a new cruise missile as part of the Russian response to the planned deployment of new U.S. military bases and missile defense sites in ex-Soviet satellites in Central and Eastern Europe."
 

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It's just Russia trying to stay/seem relevant........
And deadly. Nukes hurt ya know. But yes, Russia is trying to become/remain a "Big Dog."


We have been flexing our military strength all over the world for quite awhile. It is(was) only a matter of time before we piss on enough ant beds to trigger another arms race. I am with Putin, I wouldn't believe a single word spilling out of the mouth of our President and defense department at this time.
I definitely agree 100%.
 

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What will be unique about this.. WMDs.. They actually have them in Russia. We don't even have to look for them .
The sad thing is, with George W. at the helm.....we still wouldn't find them.

They had no problem finding lost votes in Florida Voting Machines though......
 
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Why the **** would we attack Russia? And dont we have the missles in Europe because of Iraq? So why is Russia bitching?
 

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Why the **** would we attack Russia? And dont we have the missles in Europe because of Iraq? So why is Russia bitching?
Why did the US complain when Nikita Khrushchev placed missiles in Cuba with the intent of being used against us before we could attack them???

It's the same reason you don't want your neighbor to have a big gun, and a grudge against you...all the while stating he's your "friend."

The missiles the US are placing, are right next to Russia....literally. For any reason if we attacked them, they would basically have no response time to counter attack, and that makes countries very nervous.
 

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Why did the US complain when Nikita Khrushchev placed missiles in Cuba with the intent of being used against us before we could attack them???

It's the same reason you don't want your neighbor to have a big gun, and a grudge against you...all the while stating he's your "friend."

The missiles the US are placing, are right next to Russia....literally. For any reason if we attacked them, they would basically have no response time to counter attack, and that makes countries very nervous.
waaaaaiiiiit... what kind of missles are we talking about? Nukes? or Defense shield missles? Big difference.

Many of the Eastern European countrys have requested to be included in a missle shield.
 
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Im sure if we wanted to wipe Russia off the planet we would of done it already.
 
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Why did the US complain when Nikita Khrushchev placed missiles in Cuba with the intent of being used against us before we could attack them???
Well didnt we invade Cuba and then they placed it there because they were influencing Cuba as defense possibly? Who knows maybe they did have the intent to use them on us.
 

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Do we have a grudge against Russia? I think we could care less about them. Why would we attack Russia? for their oil reserves, yeah right. America is in a position of we can't do anything without the world crying about it and saying we are going to attack them.

Oh yeah I forgot Putin is probably still pissed at Bush for stealing the oil in Iraq from them and France. ooops
 

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waaaaaiiiiit... what kind of missles are we talking about? Nukes? or Defense shield missles? Big difference.

Many of the Eastern European countrys have requested to be included in a missle shield.
The missile defense shield is lovingly nuclear.....so of course Russia will counter accordingly.

It could be the 1980's all over again. I just hope Genesis doesn't do a remake "Land Of Confusion"

"Putin described Tuesday's tests of a new ballistic missile capable of carrying multiple nuclear warheads and a new cruise missile as part of the Russian response to the planned deployment of new U.S. military bases and missile defense sites in ex-Soviet satellites in Central and Eastern Europe.



Well didnt we invade Cuba and then they placed it there because they were influencing Cuba as defense possibly? Who knows maybe they did have the intent to use them on us.
The Bay of Pigs in 1961 sure didn't help US-Cuba relations, but the Missle Crisis in October of 1962 didn't help out either. According to experts, we can very, very, very close to full scale nuclear war during those days.

It's only a matter of time before humans nuke themselves out of existence. Just one psychotic Islamic militant State gets nukes.........and it's time for "Duck and Cover."
 

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The missile defense shield is lovingly nuclear.....so of course Russia will counter accordingly.

It could be the 1980's all over again. I just hope Genesis doesn't do a remake "Land Of Confusion"

"Putin described Tuesday's tests of a new ballistic missile capable of carrying multiple nuclear warheads and a new cruise missile as part of the Russian response to the planned deployment of new U.S. military bases and missile defense sites in ex-Soviet satellites in Central and Eastern Europe.
The press and lots of people are falling for Russia's sensationalism and showboating... old commie trick to get attention.

The missle defense shield is not nuclear at all. They just need to feel important as Robin pointed out.
 
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It's only a matter of time before humans nuke themselves out of existence. Just one psychotic Islamic militant State gets nukes.........and it's time for "Duck and Cover."
LOL which is why Ive been saying to nuke the whole middle east before they do it to all of us
 

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The press and lots of people are falling for Russia's sensationalism and showboating... old commie trick to get attention.

The missle defense shield is not nuclear at all. They just need to feel important as Robin pointed out.
As a general rule, the newest defense shields are non-nuclear. I'm not 100% sure about all the missiles we plan on installing in Eastern Europe though. If we were talking strictly a missile shield, I don't think Russia would be this concerned.

I don't believe for one second that this administration wouldn't add nuclear missiles to any site we install in Eastern Europe. Bush has to prove he's a cowboy one way on another. I'd much rather see him try to ride a wild bull.....and then get trampled.

Here's some info on strategic missile shields:

The limited United States ground-based nationwide antimissile system in development since the 1990s. In 2002 this system was renamed to Ground-Based Midcourse Defense (GMD), to differentiate it from other missile defense programs, such as space-based, sea-based, laser, or high-altitude intercept programs. As of 2006, this system is operational with limited capability. It is designed to intercept a small number of nuclear-armed ICBMs in the mid-course phase, using interceptor missiles launched from Alaska. They use non-nuclear kinetic warheads.

Some projectiles do not contain an explosive charge (such as shells). They are termed kinetic projectile, kinetic energy weapon or kinetic penetrator. The classic kinetic energy weapon is the bullet. Among projectiles which do not contain explosives are railguns, coilguns, mass drivers, and kinetic energy penetrators, in addition to smaller weapons such as bullets. All of these weapons work by attaining a high muzzle velocity (hypervelocity), and collide with their objective, releasing kinetic energy.

Some kinetic weapons for targeting objects in spaceflight are anti-satellite weapons and anti-ballistic missiles. Since they need to attain a high velocity anyway, they can destroy their target with their released kinetic energy alone; explosives are not necessary. Compare the energy of TNT, 4.6 MJ/kg, to the energy of a kinetic kill vehicle with a closing speed of 10 km/s, which is 50 MJ/kg. This saves costly weight and there is no detonation to be done at the right time, but on the other hand it requires a more accurate hit.

With regard to anti-missile weapons, the Arrow missile and MIM-104 Patriot have explosives, but the KEI, LEAP, and THAAD being developed do not (see Missile Defense Agency).


A kinetic projectile can be dropped from aircraft. This is applied by replacing the explosives of a regular bomb e.g. by concrete, for a precision hit with less collateral damage. A typical bomb has e.g. a mass of 900 kg and a speed of impact of 800 km/h (220 m/s). It is also applied for training the act of dropping a bomb with explosives. [1] This method has been used in Operation Iraqi Freedom and the subsequent military operations in Iraq by mating concrete-filled training bombs with JDAM GPS guidance kits, to attack vehicles and other relatively "soft" targets located too close to civilian structures for the use of conventional high explosive bombs.
 

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With regard to anti-missile weapons, the Arrow missile and MIM-104 Patriot have explosives, but the KEI, LEAP, and THAAD being developed do not
Hey, I might have seen one of them there THAAD missiles. I think they are made by this company that I have a passing acquaintance with. Also, rumor has it, that one of the guys involved in part of the testing drives a 350Z.

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