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http://www.myspace.com/1000000signature - Add 50,000,000 Signatures To Stop Abortion on myspace

On January 22,2008 it was the 35th year of legal abortion in America. The figure of 50,000,000 is the amount of aborted children reported by Alan Guttmacher Institute a Planned Parenthood research affiliate. Planned Parenthood is the leading abortion provider in America with a multitude of abortion clinics scattered throughout the U.S. and many other countries.

We here at the Abortion Alternative Alliance feel the 50,000,000 or 50 million number is a breaking point for America and it's founding beliefs. Have we as a God fearing country lost touch with the reality of abortion? The simplest and most truthful way to define abortion is the premeditated murder of a innocent baby.

How much innocent blood can we as a nation endure? Fifty million of our son's and daughter's silenced into eternity, but their cries will echo time itself. Fifty million dead babies taken from their mother's womb. Causalities of a battle, lost in the war of life, POW's or MIA's? I think not more like innocent victims of Choice.

The population of the United States of America in the year 2000 was recorded in our nation's census at 281,421,906 and it is estimated the population for 2008 will at or above the figure of 303,344,000. Therefore the pro-life base should reach or exceed 50 million easily, the abortion supporters claim that the population is equally split when it comes to the life issues. With that in mind a powerhouse of 50 million pro-life supporters should be a database that will rock the congressional foundation the US government.

Fifty million voices crying out as one will not only require congressional attention but will demand it! So this project is a attempt to gather and record the info needed to complete a congressional petition, one that will address the abortion issue and bring attention to the tax funded abortion provider, Planned Parenthood. Please sign this petition and know with your voice you will be heard, you will make the difference in the lives of million's to come. Thank You
 

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Westpack is 100% correct, and I'm leaving it at that.

I'm so tempted to close this thread, but I'll leave it open. Please refrain from personal attacks of any kind, or this thread will be closed. Debate nice.
 

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Let's protect unborn fetuses but shoot doctors who perform abortions and bomb their clinics. Great movement you got goin' there.
 

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I usually bash on Democrats for being "heart-bleeding" and emotional rather than seeing the real effects of things. This is one of the cases where Republicans do the same thing. The propaganda I see for anti-abortion is always saturated with sensationalism and emotion like this one. I'm pro-choice... just a few points off the top of my head:

1. Make abortion illegal and you will have lots of illegal abortions performed, which puts lots of scared and desperate girls in danger. Poor ones at that... rich girls will go to a country where it is legal to have it done.

2. There are so many people who have been born that need help. I think everyone who preaches against abortion should be forced to adopt 10 kids and raise them properly. If you want to help people, why not start with the ones that are already born and in need.... there are plenty of them.

3. The overall result of unwanted kids and unfit/unprepared parents is bad for everyone in society. Thinking on a grander utilitarian perspective, allowing abortion does the greatest good for the greatest number of people... or was that the goal?
 

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Apparently, there's been at least one abortion too few.

50,000,000 is what I call a good start.
 

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this is ridiculous...just close this thread cause there will be many MANY arguments in here...i back up westpak in that women have the right to do whatever they feel necessary...i mean do you really want millions of young teen moms running around having kids and have no other option but to have it then having their parents raise the kid...that's gonna give that kid many bad episodes growing up as well as add to taxes paid into Medicare...i say these **** extremists need to find a better hobby than try to tell others how to live
 

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Abortion is used as birth control these days.........no one wants to accept responsibility for their actions.

This was just in the news a couple of days ago.....some woman who hosts "The View"...

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Sherri Shepherd Has Had an Uncomfortable Number of Abortions


She's been looking great lately, huh?Photo: Getty Images
Well, as if any number of them is comfortable. Anyway, the comedian and co-host of The View told Christian women's magazine Precious Times that during her hard early years, she was "in a very physically abusive relationship." "I was sleeping with a lot of guys and had more abortions than I would like to count," she said. Her sister, she added, "was heavy into drugs, and we would have to go and get her from crack houses."
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/07/sherr...had_an_unc.html


I'm not coming from a bible thumping/religious point of view either.
 

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Let me just throw this one out there...forget about religion, forget about pro-choice/pro-life, forget about all of that...what if the aborted pregnancy is not just the elimination of an unborn fetus? What if it is actually the murder of a human being? Seriously, before you throw up the BS flag and start throwing out "it's the woman's body etc.", consider for a moment the implications of all of that being wrong: 50,000,000 murdered future US citizens who could be paying for medicare, social security, etc. 50,000,000 minds that could be creating the next clean power alternative. If you consider yourself to be an open minded human being...then think about the implications of being wrong about this: If you're right and it's ok to abort a pregnancy, then it's no big deal, but if you are wrong, and it's murder to abort a pregnancy, then how many of us have blood on our hands and heads? Food for thought.

EDIT: To the Moderators, thanks for not closing this thread. As long as it stays civil, it should remain open. It shows a lot of character on your part to allow a thread to remain open that you disagree w/ or you see as having potential for a pissing match.

To the rest of the members, the purpose of this sub-forum IS to discuss religion and politics. Getting angry about a topic that is centered on both of those area's is a betrayal of the policy of "leave your emotions at the door". If you disagree w/ the topic, just don't post to it, it's that simple.
 

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I am completely on the fence which I hate, I hate being on fences x_x but this one I cant avoid

50% of me - Religious reasons of course apply. Also what applies is what Brandon said; I wont bother repeating his words haha. Alot of aborted pregnancies are not crack baby type situations. Theyre just people who forgot to take care when they had sex that one night. There was no excuse.

Other half - Alot are also yes crack baby type situations. Thats a completely different situation than the above. There are also rapes. If the woman didnt ever want a child and she had no say so when she was raped, she kkinda to me has the deserved right to not bear a child even though it does strongly go against my religious beliefs. Thats just the more practical side of me speaking.
 

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QUOTE (overbybr @ Jul 25 2008, 06:21 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=547296
Let me just throw this one out there...forget about religion, forget about pro-choice/pro-life, forget about all of that...what if the aborted pregnancy is not just the elimination of an unborn fetus? What if it is actually the murder of a human being? Seriously, before you throw up the BS flag and start throwing out "it's the woman's body etc.", consider for a moment the implications of all of that being wrong: 50,000,000 murdered future US citizens who could be paying for medicare, social security, etc. 50,000,000 minds that could be creating the next clean power alternative. If you consider yourself to be an open minded human being...then think about the implications of being wrong about this: If you're right and it's ok to abort a pregnancy, then it's no big deal, but if you are wrong, and it's murder to abort a pregnancy, then how many of us have blood on our hands and heads? Food for thought.

EDIT: To the Moderators, thanks for not closing this thread. As long as it stays civil, it should remain open. It shows a lot of character on your part to allow a thread to remain open that you disagree w/ or you see as having potential for a pissing match.

To the rest of the members, the purpose of this sub-forum IS to discuss religion and politics. Getting angry about a topic that is centered on both of those area's is a betrayal of the policy of "leave your emotions at the door". If you disagree w/ the topic, just don't post to it, it's that simple.
As for the whole murder part that's taking it to a major extreme...i do believe that they have a time period to do this in before any human senses or anything to that matter forms so to take it to an extreme it's the same as us eating billions of baby creatures every year, so why are we allowed to do that to any other species and when something along those lines minus the eating part is completey wrong? there are too many people in this country that try to dictate how we should all live even though we are a melting pot with many different cultures, etc...

and i laughed when you said that 50 million citizens are getting murdered who could be paying medicare, etc....MAJORITY of these would be sucking up medicare benefits for years because of the potential of being raised not only with one parent but most of the time it's a teen who is still either living with their parents or is in college with no job...how do you expect them to pay for anything when medicare takes these cases like candy from a baby...do you expect them to say now i gotta get 2 jobs JUST to scrape by another day??
 

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Hot debate topic....will never find a neutral ground. When abortion became legal it became cemented into our society and will most likely never go away. From my position of Christian faith I choose life.....however, also from my position of faith, I know that God has given the world He created choice. We have a choice to accept God or deny Him. We have the choice to work and be productive or to leach off of the system. We have the choice to be gay, straight, bi.....what-ever. My point? It's legal and continues to be legal through the voting of the masses. I'll sign the petition....I believe in life but I won't bash on anybody that chooses otherwise. I am proud that you have the balls to stand for what you believe in.....too many people hide behind someone else and let them take the heat :cheers:
 

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Interesting spin, Jim. I don't believe in god, but thinking from the believer's perspective... god wanted us to have a choice, but I think we should take that choice away from each other. Makes sense :rolleyes:
 

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QUOTE (Z you later @ Jul 25 2008, 12:26 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=547359
As for the whole murder part that's taking it to a major extreme...i do believe that they have a time period to do this in before any human senses or anything to that matter forms so to take it to an extreme it's the same as us eating billions of baby creatures every year, so why are we allowed to do that to any other species and when something along those lines minus the eating part is completey wrong? there are too many people in this country that try to dictate how we should all live even though we are a melting pot with many different cultures, etc...

and i laughed when you said that 50 million citizens are getting murdered who could be paying medicare, etc....MAJORITY of these would be sucking up medicare benefits for years because of the potential of being raised not only with one parent but most of the time it's a teen who is still either living with their parents or is in college with no job...how do you expect them to pay for anything when medicare takes these cases like candy from a baby...do you expect them to say now i gotta get 2 jobs JUST to scrape by another day??
What if you're wrong though? What if the 'extreme' of murder is actually the reality? What if the human senses are developed much earlier than modern science can detect? What if that little embryo/fetus is not just an organism, but life? If the extreme is actually the reality, then there's a lot for people to answer for. If you're going to err, err on the side of caution.
 

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QUOTE (Skeptik @ Jul 25 2008, 10:20 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=547364
Interesting spin, Jim. I don't believe in god, but thinking from the believer's perspective... god wanted us to have a choice, but I think we should take that choice away from each other. Makes sense :rolleyes:

Not quite that simple....I can choose to jump in front of a bus or shoot someone in the head. Hard to argue "how dare you take away my choice". Like I said...hot topic. I can only do what I feel is right and work at being cool to everyone whether or not they believe like me or not. :cheers:
 
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