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Again, LeftLane News holds its ear to the European buzz machine, reporting on a story in an unnamed French magazine that Nissan is working up a 450Z sports coupe — powered by a worked-over version of the 4.5-liter V8 US buyers know from Infiniti’s M45/ Q45 / FX45. The new sportster will likely find a spot between the 350Z and the upcoming GT-R in Nissan’s line — unless of course Nissan launches the US GT-R as an Infiniti, which we’re not betting on. We’re assuming that V8 is the “punchier engine” a Nissan product specialist recently told AutoExpress would appear in the new Z car. No word on whether the rumored 2009 launch date is still in play.
Nissan will reportedly slot a new “Z” model above its popular 350 Z sports coupe. According to a French magazine, the “450 Z” is based on the structure and design of the 350 Z, but will feature a 430 horsepower 4.5 liter V8 and all-wheel-drive. Further details of the 450 Z remain sparse, and it’s unclear where this car will fit into Nissan’s portfolio when the GT-R reaches production. The report indicated that the 450 Z will be aimed at the Porsche 911 Carerra a Maserati 4.2. (See our scan of the article for the full article and rendering).
Nissan is planning a Z sports coupe slotted above the current Nissan 350Z called the Nissan 450Z. The upgraded model will feature a 4.5 liter V8 engine which would likely be a tuned up version of the VK45DE from the Infiniti M45. The VK45DE makes 340hp currently, but Left Lane News reports the final product will feature 430hp. Of course, all that crazy power requires all-wheel drive, so that will be standard as well.
Nissan is planning to use the 4.5-liter V8 that powers several Infiniti models in its 350Z sports car to create a 400-horsepower hot rod, according to Autocar, as cited my Edmunds. The muscled-up coupe would be called the 450Z, according to the report. The 450Z could also have an Audi quattro-style four-wheel-drive system. It’s unclear if this report is based on new information, or if it comes from the same source as a recent report in a French automotive magazine. The magazine said the car would feature a 430 horsepower 4.5 liter V8 and would target the Porsche 911 Carerra. A computer rendering accompanied that report.
Some confusion about the next flagship coupe in the european Nissan lineup. Is the new GT-R coming to Europe too ? Or is there some truth to the Autocar rumours about the Nissan 450Z ?

The 450Z should be an evolution of the current 350Z, with a sporty version of the 4.5 liters V8 engine mounted on the Japanese Nissan Fuga and on some Infiniti models in the USA, tuned to deliver about 400 hp. The only problem is that this engine doesn't satisfy Euro 4 emission regulations, but this will have to be remedied anyway, since Nissan wants to bring Infiniti to Europe. The body should remain relatively unchanged, while the 450Z might have a 4WD transmission.
Standard Nissan 350Z not serious enough for you? Well, if you’re looking for a faster, hairier 350Z Nissan may have the answer — the 450Z.

So far the more powerful coupe has not been confirmed for production, but rumours from our sources in Japan suggest that Nissan is seriously considering it.

The 450Z would swap the 350Z’s 3.5-litre V6 for a 4.5-litre V8, already in use in the Japanese market Nissan Fuga and several US-market Infinitis, and in a 450Z power could increase to over 400bhp. There’s also the possibility of a four-wheel drive transmission.

Should it be built, there’s a strong chance the car could make it to Europe, too. Although the V8 doesn’t currently comply with Euro4 emissions regulations, the Infiniti brand is coming to Europe in the next 18 months which means Nissan will have to alter the engine anyway.
 

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Don't mean to be a naysayer...cuz I think it's a cool idea. But it just seems very improbable.

1. Why add to the Z line? The Z is what it is. And that is what Nissan wanted.

2. The GT-R. Comes out in Japan late 07 as an 08, then US launch afterwards. Why would Nissan/Infinity saturate the market with this car, when they already have to sell that car which will cost much more?

3. The articles suggest the cars would run side-by-side. It may be a replacement, but Nissan would NEVER run the 350 and 450 at the same time. Doesn't make business sense.

Best case scenario, IMHO, is that 30 of these are built. Maybe for homologation rules to submit them for racing series. But I just don't see why Nissan would do something like this as mass production unless it were a full replacement. But if it's a replacement, and it gets a whole new drivetrain, wouldn't they have updated the exterior a bit more than a minor facelift/bodykit?

I just dunno...
 

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this is my vision of the 2008 nissan/infiniti sports car lineup.

30k: 350z/g35 300-350hp V6, RWD

40k-50k: 450Z/G45 400-450hp V8, AWD

60k-70k: Skyline/GTR 500-550hp V8TT AWD

Of course nissan can share the costs of te drivetrain/platform development under these 5 models, the next G35 sedan and FX models, which will give all of them a more competitive price (unlike say, a NSX, which was like 100k for a 330hp RWD car) and all of them benefit from the handling characteristics of the GTR-platform.

Look at the new G35 coupe concept! looks like it could be spawned off the GTR-proto platform!

whatever nissans future lineup will be, it will be very exciting.
we're talking about a company that wants to target porsche and maserati (<--FERRARI...)! :lol:
 

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That's just it... for $70k the Skyline is more likely to make 450-500hp, tops. A 350z in that in range would compete with the GT-R.

If the GT-R is over 500hp then I'm not sure how they will make their $70k target.

Time will tell. :)
 

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Just an observation, but wouldn't adding an 8 cylinder vehicle to the Z lineup go against Z heritage itself? I do believe, althought I could be mistaken, that the V6 engine is the anchor of most past and present Z's. But, the car looks awesome in the posted pic....
 

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a V6TT would make more sense, but they have the V8 ready to be planted into any model...

o, yea, you were right about the 6cylinder heritage.
 

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I think you are wrong about the v6 heritage. The z started as an inline 6 and soon after received turbos. Turbos were all the way until the end of z32 generation. Just because a car used to have a certain type of engine doesnt mean it always needs to have that type.

A twin turbo would be more inline with heritage, but that is less likely to happen than a v8 IMO.

Without a doubt, we will see a redesign/major facelift in the next year or two for the Z. It is that time. An engine revision is NEEDED to keep the Z competitive. It is no longer a luxery since grocery getters are blowing the doors off of Nissan's top sports car.
 

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I read the GT-R is a vq36de TT...meaning it'd be a 3.6 liter....there's no way that's a v8. Why would they put a v8 in a Z that costs less than the GT-R? Also, the GT-R will be closer to 80-90k, but with a tune ready version available for a little cheaper. Still...thats a lot of money. I agree. There's no buisness sense in Nissan cutting their market in half by releasing a 450z unless it completely replaces the 350z. And BTW, the Skyline GT-R is supposed to be released under the Infiniti name, so it just won't be JDM.
 

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I read the GT-R is a vq36de TT...meaning it'd be a 3.6 liter....there's no way that's a v8. Why would they put a v8 in a Z that costs less than the GT-R? Also, the GT-R will be closer to 80-90k, but with a tune ready version available for a little cheaper. Still...thats a lot of money. I agree. There's no buisness sense in Nissan cutting their market in half by releasing a 450z unless it completely replaces the 350z. And BTW, the Skyline GT-R is supposed to be released under the Infiniti name, so it just won't be JDM.
There has been no confirmation on the GTR engine or the Z engine as of yet.
 

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I read the GT-R is a vq36de TT...meaning it'd be a 3.6 liter....there's no way that's a v8. Why would they put a v8 in a Z that costs less than the GT-R? Also, the GT-R will be closer to 80-90k, but with a tune ready version available for a little cheaper. Still...thats a lot of money. I agree. There's no buisness sense in Nissan cutting their market in half by releasing a 450z unless it completely replaces the 350z. And BTW, the Skyline GT-R is supposed to be released under the Infiniti name, so it just won't be JDM.

Entirely speculation. :)
 

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The thoughts behind this are:

Infinti wins the GTR Badge
Nissan North America wants a top end sports car as well

GTR = 4 seater
450Z = 2 seater

this would be on par for

G35 = 4 seater
350z = 2 seater

These could be low production, high end sports cars each with a target market.
 

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The thoughts behind this are:

Infinti wins the GTR Badge
Nissan North America wants a top end sports car as well

GTR = 4 seater
450Z = 2 seater

this would be on par for

G35 = 4 seater
350z = 2 seater

These could be low production, high end sports cars each with a target market.
:thumbsup: I think that you hit it.
 

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Another thing.. people are saying that a $60-70k sports car will not sell well. I dont think that is the goal here. Expect these cars to be limited production <2000 per year. I mean people are paying around 50-70k for Escalades and H2s
 

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The thoughts behind this are:

Infinti wins the GTR Badge
Nissan North America wants a top end sports car as well

GTR = 4 seater
450Z = 2 seater

this would be on par for

G35 = 4 seater
350z = 2 seater

These could be low production, high end sports cars each with a target market.
Your methodology borders on the KISS principle. I like the way you think on this issue. I also see where you're coming from in regards to the price range. If people can afford large SUVs, why not bring in a powerful sportscar that sucks up as much gas but takes less room to park?
 
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