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post #21 of 37 (permalink) Old 09-13-2007, 03:14 PM
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The religious right neocon wackos have done a good job brain washing you all into thinking that "liberal" is a bad word, and that liberals are to blame for all the wrongs in the world. Do some research of the history of the republican party and see how it has been hijacked by the bible thumping protestant fundamentalist. It is sad that the party you all defend simply does not exist anymore, much as the Democratic party that use to look out for the "regular Joe/ middle class America", and civil rights mo longer really exists.
Funny to me....that same statement could easily read-

The sacreligious left comunist wackos have done a good job brain washing you all into thinking that "conservative" is a bad word, and that conservatives are to blame for all the wrongs in the world. Do some research of the history of the Democratic party and see how it has been hijacked by the bible bashing athestic radicals. It is sad that the party you all defend simply does not exist anymore, much as the Republican party that use to look out for the "regular Joe/ middle class America", and political correctness has replalced civil rights.

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I never said all liberals are evil. All parties have evil in them in my opinion, it's just that when it comes to this kind of a move, the "progressive" stuff like what I mentioned... it comes from liberal movements not conservative movements. Welcome to political debate, you seem new to this kind of notion that when someone is conservative, they point out liberal bad things, and vice versa for the liberals pointing out conservative bad things >_>
Yes this is true, and neither the liberals or conservatives seem to realize they are being played off each other.
Your all the same.
Politics is like pro wrestling, its fun to watch but it's not really.
The people with the most money control both parties through lobbyist.
Ever wonder why a lot of corporations, rich individuals, and special interest groups donate money to both parties, or several candidates?
I am not new to debating political issues, I am looking at it from the bottom up as opposed to looking at the glossy top layer they want us to see like you and the rest of partisan America is doing.
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Yes this is true, and neither the liberals or conservatives seem to realize they are being played off each other.
Your all the same.
Politics is like pro wrestling, its fun to watch but it's not really.
The people with the most money control both parties through lobbyist.
Ever wonder why a lot of corporations, rich individuals, and special interest groups donate money to both parties, or several candidates?
I am not new to debating political issues, I am looking at it from the bottom up as opposed to looking at the glossy top layer they want us to see like you and the rest of partisan America is doing.
You suggest no one can think for themselves. Its not too hard to filter out the bullsh*t.

Most people just happen to agree or disagree with what comes out of a politicians mouth. Conservatives know what they like and what they dont like. Same for Libs. We arent being played.

People like to say that both sides are the same. Well in actions maybe... but in philosopy of govt. they are very different. We look for politicians to uphold the ideals we share. But they are people... and people are unpredictable. We will never really be truly satisfied all the time.

Im pissed at Bush all the time. Im pissed at the Rs all the time. But at least I know the party has a set of core beliefs that they can fall back on when individuals fail.

Look at your party and ask if their core beliefs are what you want.

The real danger is being out of the loop or uninformed... its up to us to figure out if we are being MISinformed.
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Yes this is true, and neither the liberals or conservatives seem to realize they are being played off each other.
Your all the same.
Politics is like pro wrestling, its fun to watch but it's not really.
The people with the most money control both parties through lobbyist.
Ever wonder why a lot of corporations, rich individuals, and special interest groups donate money to both parties, or several candidates?
I am not new to debating political issues, I am looking at it from the bottom up as opposed to looking at the glossy top layer they want us to see like you and the rest of partisan America is doing.
So I guess it's safe to assume that you be voting in 08 since the lobbyist control all and you are clearly anit-lobby. Then again, I don't know where you stand anymore, elighten me.

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So I guess it's safe to assume that you be voting in 08 since the lobbyist control all and you are clearly anit-lobby. Then again, I don't know where you stand anymore, elighten me.
I am voting for Barak Obama. He is the only politician in the race that has taken a serious stand to eliminate lobbyist financial control over our politicians. He is by far not perfect, but the only option on my mind.
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But he lobbied in the end lol didnt he?

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But he lobbied in the end lol didnt he?
What do you mean he lobbied in the end?
I am not asking for the end of lobbyist and neither is he.
They should not however be able to financial influence politicians.
Lobbyist have taken away the power of your vote with extreme amounts of money.
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What do you mean he lobbied in the end?
I am not asking for the end of lobbyist and neither is he.
They should not however be able to financial influence politicians.
Lobbyist have taken away the power of your vote with extreme amounts of money.
No matter how hard they try, they cant regulate these people... just look at campaign finance reform... what a joke.

Sure, we can tinker with the rules some more.. but it wont change anything. We just need to hold these people accountable at the ballot box. Too bad Americans are lazy voters.
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I viewed this topic as what a "kid could do then", and what he "can't do now".It had nothing to do with liberals,conservatives or lobbyist.It dealt with the change of time, and the present consequences.

It's way off topic!It's been turned into nothing, but a "fucking political pissing contest".

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I viewed this topic as what a "kid could do then", and what he "can't do now".It had nothing to do with liberals,conservatives or lobbyist.It dealt with the change of time, and the present consequences.

It's way off topic!It's been turned into nothing, but a "fucking political pissing contest".
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