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the all new Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano offers the F1-Superfast paddle shifter tranny as an option, with a 6-speed manual as the base offering. the F1-S technology allows for manual paddle shifts, or fully automatic shifting according to what mode the driver sets the gearbox. in manu-paddle mode, the upshifts are attainable in 100 milliseconds --only 50ms slower than an actual F1 race car.

i think that speculation over "either/or," for manual or automatic GTRs may be solved via this system or one adapted from it. i have speculated earlier that the GTR will come in model variants, with requistie tranny options available. a paddle shift/automatic option may be offered, then, as ONE thing, as is proven on the 599 GTB. so i maintain that the old-reliable 6-spd, full clutch manual, will be offered as the "base" GTR.

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Sounds legit....but how can you gauge what Nissan will do by Ferrari?


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My question is, "Would the general consumer market be ready for paddle shifting?" We all know that some pricks out there think buying a high end sportscar with a huge price tag comes with a license to drive like they're trained pros. I can see a lot of accidents or stunts gone wrong.

However, I'm all for paddles as an expensive option reserved for those really willing to pay the extra and have that elite luxury.

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it's not only Ferrari using this. but it is yet another supercar company to jump onboard to this feature. the arrows point to this direction.

it follows to reason that Nissan is building an out of the box Ferrari-like supercar. therefore, it will then seek out technology that is of the upmost edge over other cars. and to maintain it's reputation and actual performance with Ferrari and Porshe-level enthusiasts, it cannot afford to languish in the past. paddle-shift is here to stay.

you must remember that the paddle technology in general is NOT new; it has been employed in F-class race cars for years. Ferrari is not all the only company to have since adapted this to roadcar use. you must then ask the question: "how can you gauge what Ferrari will do by F1?" and they have. as has Aston Martin's Vanquish, Maserati, BMW, Lamborghini, even Toyota (MR2 Spyder), Audi A3, VW R32, Corvette Z06.

Nissan's GTR may have a variant of the BorgWarner and Volkswagen AG-developed DSG --the direct shift gearbox (DSG), featuring 2 wet-plate clutches. the F1-S of the Ferrari is a dry-plate system (IIRC).

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please consider, too, that about the only country not "getting it" about paddle shifts is the united states. it's already largely embraced anywhere else enthusiasts live. but don't despair, i strongly feel the 6-speed manual will be the base offer, with paddle shift being the option, particularly with the fully-auto "mode."


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Not all paddle shifting is F1-like either....it's just tip-tronic next to the steering wheel instead of the "stick"


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that is correct. but i think in the case of the GTR, it will be more akin to the F1-S of the Ferrari --true manual paddle shifting with the option of a button selection to go fully auto. this will be particularly appealing to american buyers, imho. we're still more than likely going to see the 6-speed manual anyway.

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I think the general consumer is ready, Bmw already has it in a few models. And from what it sounds like the GTR is going to be as pricey as most BMW's so why wouldnt they get the paddle shift in there as well.
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Even the paddle shifters in the supercars don't shift as perfect as a fully manual car does, mainly on the downshifts reguarding rev matching. It is for this reason that I think the GTR will for sure come with a six speed manual transmission. However I don't think that paddle shifters are out of the question for the GTR, but definitely an option if we see them.


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Latest rumor hints at a 6 speed auto clutch like that of the Ferrari's. Can't say that I wouldn't like to see it on a GT-R as an option of course, but it's rather unlikely.
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